Posted by: timdodds | June 14, 2012

What can be done to reduce accidents on Red Road?

It wasn’t until the Camberley News & Mail contacted me about last week’s accident on Red Road in Lightwater that I realised there’d been another serious accident, requiring the road to be closed.

The gist of what I said to the paper is that the road isn’t in itself essentially dangerous, it’s driver error, reckless or otherwise that’s mostly the cause of accidents.

However, I did say that I believe that accidents end up becoming more serious than might be expected for a number of reasons,

  • Throughout its whole length, from Gordon’s School roundabout of the A322 to its junction with the Maultway in Heatherside, trees, banks and ditches are close to the edge of the road. These are very unforgiving in a vehicle collision. Both of the two recent accidents, the vehicles collided with trees. [Note: there is a small stretch of the road with a pedestrian pavement on one side].
  • Vehicle speed. As part of the road is on a hill, there’s a tendency, perhaps sometimes inadvertently, for vehicles to carry too much speed when encountering the S bends.
  • Insufficient and missing road warning signs. I’ve said at length that when road warning signs are demolished in an accident, it seems to take ages for them to be re-erected, sometimes if ever. See HERE, and HERE for my report on the missing signs.
  • Policing the speed limit, currently 60mph, and later this year 50mph, is extremely difficult, there being no safe place for hand-held speed cameras or a stationary police vehicle.

Ok, so what can be done to reduce the number and severity of the accidents. Briefly, here are some suggestions.

  • Create a road safety working party, of County Highways, and police accident reduction officers. Essential.
  • Replace all missing warning signs: Essential and not costly.
  • Widen and straighten the road, particularly around the S bends: Inordinately expensive.
  • Speed Cameras: Sensible and of medium cost.
  • Create a large traffic island at the junction with Macdonald Road, has the benefit of slowing traffic: Very costly.
  • Traffic Lights at junction with Macdonald Road, again slowing traffic. Costly.
  • Install crash barriers along parts of the road susceptible to serious accidents. Moderately expensive.

Finally, yesterday evening I attended a Windlesham Parish Council meeting as a visitor, because I heard that Inspector Martin Goodwin was giving a brief presentation before the parish meeting began. It was my opportunity to ask Martin about his concerns with Red Road, following the recent accidents.

Martin spoke of setting up a working party to review road safety and thought that speed cameras could be a solution. Also, I’ve promised to give him a copy of my warning signs report. I remain positive and optimistic that something can be done in the soon.

UPDATE: Excellent comment from Mark Cole on inexpensive ways to make drivers aware of the dangers on the S bends. I’ll pass these onto Inspector Goodwin.

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  1. Sorry but I disagree that speed cameras are part of the solution here. Outside of the anti car lobby i.e. “Brake”, “Transport 2000″ etc it is generally accepted that they do not reduce road accidents. Road engineering and good signage are far more effective. Better use of road markings at the trouble spots (MacDonald Road junction and the old Red Road fork) such as hatching and/or different colour tarmac would help greatly as would more electronic speed indicators such as the single one use in the direction from Camberley. I note that the road markings at the S bends is extremely worn, almost non existent, at the moment! This should be remedied immediately. Contrasting tarmac with painted triangular white markings at the edges suggesting the road narrows are particularly effective at making drivers aware of potential danger and slowing them down in other counties such as France. White hatching at the outside edges of the road through the S bend section would have the effect of narrowing the road in the eyes of the driver causing them to reduce speed and also keep them away from the banked sides which can launch/flip the car into the oncoming lane if hit or even clipped. These measures are far, far more cost effective than speed cameras.

  2. I’ve commented on this in previous threads on the subject – nothing to add except that I agree with Mark Cole – Speed Cameras are not the solution … you’d need multiple installations to keep speed tamped down along the dangerous stretches: just one can create a ‘wave’ effect when those in the know throw out the anchors to safely negotiate the camera ….

    OK, one more thing – I just cant see why a mini roundabout is mooted ‘very costly’ – theres 3 in Lightwater centre, how can a hump of tarmac and some (more) white paint be that costly? Mind you, I guess they would have to flare the bellmouth at Macdonald road, and offset the r’bout so that at least one lane could negotiate w/o having to go offline ? So yes, a few more kerbstones (many of which need replacing anyway).

    Are you working with S. Macleod on this – he has a similar entry in his Blog?

  3. Tim, I can suggest something that’s quick, cheap, possibly effective – and which doesn’t stand a chance of being implemented!

    My model is a cigarette packet. Every packet carries the warning ‘Smoking can kill’. It rather surprises me that such blunt statements are effective, but I have to assume that there is supporting evidence.

    So, assuming such supporting evidence, why not change the ‘Slow down’ signs to ‘Slow down OR DIE’? A ludicrous idea, of course. Or is it? (If so, why?)

    I know that the official response will be that the ‘rules’ don’t permit such signs. But that’s not a very good argument in the light of serious injuries and occasional deaths.

    • @DC.

      I dont see why not, it’s in the same vein as some of the other [local] signs about speeding one sees ….

      “Kill your Speed – NOT a Child’ ……

      • The French erect a black life size human shape by the road where a death has occurred. Quite chilling especially if you see a few on a short stretch.

  4. Twitter Quote – @SurreyPolice: Passed my report on bends on Red Road, B311 to local police inspector. Delighted to read been passed to road safety officer. [ 03Jul12]

    Who else locally in an official position is involved in the resurrection of the Red Road Safety campaign?

    Some weeks back, County Councillor Stuart M blogged and Twittered, but he doesnt seem active at all ‘online’ in June ….

    Lets hope this is a concerted effort and comes to some sort of fruitition this time – Speed Limit reduction is only part of the formula.

  5. I wondered if there is any activity going on behind the scenes on the Red Road front?

  6. http://lightwater.wordpress.com/2012/08/03/reducing-accidents-on-red-road-an-update/

    Many thanks – a move in the right direction indeed …. however, I guess we will have to use the ‘Elephants can be eaten’ approach to achieve more for pedestrian safety, and the traffic flow at the RR & MacDonald road junction.

    Perhaps our illustrious County Councillor will volunteer for Traffic Management duties there?


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